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Mrissa:

Do you have anything against the other pro publications that accept e-subs? Baen's Universe, for example, or Fantasy?

Also, you're totally right that the former "Big Three" aren't taking notice--Van Gelder made a snarky remark about how he doesn't take e-subs just so that John Scalzi calls them irrelevant, which, y'know, completely misses the point of *why* Scalzi was doing that.

-- 18:31, 6 July 2009 (BST)


ProfRobert:

Do you think the SF/F mags do that as a barrier to entry? That is, if they make you go to the effort of finding a big envelope and go to the post office to find the right postage, you're more committed to writing that some wanker who never leaves his mother's basement and can spam every slush pile in creation.

I think e-mail specifically and computers generally have improved writing overall. I write socially much more than I did before e-mail, and computers make my writing infinitely better because I can rewrite so easily.

-- 18:41, 6 July 2009 (BST)


Columbina:

Mrissa: I have a confession to make. I am not really as up on other pro publications that take e-subs as I should be. I became aware of that when reading Scalzi's comments and hearing mention of several publications I had never heard of. This is the peril of being a writer who no longer reads very much of the genre he allegedly writes in.

Also, as long as I'm being relentlessly honest - I tend to fixate on shiny objects. For years I focused overmuch on getting a story into F&SF (Analog seemed too hard-SF oriented, even if I did once get a lovely rejection letter from Stanley Schmidt, and Asimov's was out of bounds until Dozois retired.) Then I focused too much on getting a story into Strange Horizons. I'm going to try to make myself more aware of the possibilities forthwith - although, frankly, at this point the problem is more the lack of short, easily encapsulated story ideas than places to send them to.

Robert: Absolutely, but permit me to quote the Scalzi article again:

The real reason "the big three" continue only to accept printed submissions is this one: A postage stamp is an excellent bozo filter. They live in the fear that without that bozo filter they will be awash in substandard submissions from every half-wit with an e-mail address. I understand that fear, which is why when I edited a humor area for AOL, I required paper submissions, too. But that was a dozen years ago now, and in the interim when I've worked as an editor I've discovered that the crap level is not really all that much higher online than offline, and that in fact it's easier to deal with the obvious crap online than off (send it to a reject folder; send out a batch rejection at the end of the reading period). The only real difference is that the population of who is sending you crap is slightly different. The point is that the "bozo filter" defense no longer really works.

As for your latter point, my personal feeling is that while the online-writing revolution has improved the writing of people who already knew how to write decently, it has also let in huge hordes of people who can't write for squat (but often think they can). I feel the disadvantages of the lowering of the bar far outweigh the compositional advantages of the medium.

-- 19:21, 6 July 2009 (BST)


ProfRobert:

See, that's what I get for not following the link!

I agree that the internet has given idiots a platform, but where we differ is that I think the increased quality in signal (among pre-net good writers and in terms of getting news -- Twitters from Iran anyone?) outweighs the increase in noise.

-- 19:30, 6 July 2009 (BST)


Bunny42:

but my first thought was "God, some people have way too much time on their hands,"...

Speaking of, have you seen this? It's one of the reasons I'm so glad I'm no longer in public service.

May it lighten your day. The end cracked me up. Sorta wish they'd used Hex, as well.

-- 21:14, 6 July 2009 (BST)


Jette:

I equate Twitter with the telegraph -- requiring you to send a message in as few words as possible. The telegraph didn't screw up our writing skills, so why would Twitter?

-- 22:23, 6 July 2009 (BST)


Columbina:

"I can't help but feel that you're abusing our customer service policy."

Thanks, Bunny, that was great.

-- 23:11, 6 July 2009 (BST)

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