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The Toilet and the Prius

This is going to take a while, so bear with me. I'm trying to join together several trains of thought where the connection between them in my head is totally obvious, but I'm pretty sure it will be far less obvious to you. As usual. In fact, I'm not really sure where to begin. Hmm.

Let's start with the men's toilet where I work.

The men's room on my floor has had some serious sanitation issues over the years. All the men's rooms in my building have some common issues, one of which I will discuss in a moment, but the one on my floor is the worst. My floor is the only one in the building which has classrooms, you see, and when the students are going to or from those classrooms, they use those toilets.

No, no, I'm not saying the students have unsanitary toilet habits. Or maybe I am. It's complicated.

I have to word this carefully to avoid giving away too much about where I work - even the fact that our building contains students of some sort is really almost too much - so pardon me if there's a bit of circumlocution. We have a very high number of non-US-born students. Furthermore, due to our circumstances, often when these students get to us, they have never before attended any other educational institution in the US.

It's not quite as bad as some of the legends from JFK or LAX airports - for example, I've never seen footprints on the toilet seat - but I have seen definite evidence of people who were clearly not accustomed to using sit-down toilets. In case you didn't know, you don't really use toilet paper in squat (hole-in-floor) toilets the same way. Usually they're not designed to handle it, at least not in the same quantities. We've had evidence of people who used no paper; we've had evidence of people who used way too much. We've had feces on the floor, ladies and gentlemen. We've had so many cases where someone assumed that because the toilet could handle toilet paper, it could also handle the paper towels used to dry one's hands (it can't) that a special sign had to be put up. They put one in every toilet, but it was really the toilet on my floor it was for, and everyone knew it. That toilet was being unclogged once a week a few semesters back. (The worst offender must have graduated, since the signs seemed to make no difference while he was here, whoever he was.)

We have one or two germophobes every year who will not touch any fixture in the room with their bare skin. They line the complete seat of the toilet with toilet paper (or the dreaded paper towels), then leave the toilet paper on the seat when they're done, because of course to sweep it into the toilet they'd have to touch it. (After the first wave of this, we got a dispenser with those paper toilet seat covers. I have seen no evidence whatsoever that those ever get used.) They turn the sink taps (I mean the valve handles, I recognize "tap" is ambiguous) with paper towels, and leave the paper towels on the taps. They use a paper towel to pull the door handle when they're leaving, and they let it drop onto the floor. Yes, we do have soap and hand sanitizer available.

The first set of warning signs was replaced by another and then another. The most recent is a set of condescending "toilet etiquette tips" which are so twee that they make me want to litter the entire room with feces just for the pleasure of disobeying them. They're also shockingly nonspecific and so are utterly useless.

This is a case where, really, I feel that the only way to go would be to be direct, specific, and rude. Nothing else will succeed. To date, nothing else has. I want to see signs like:

- In America we sit down on toilets. Please feel free to do so.
- You are not going to get a disease from contact between your ass and a toilet seat. You're just not.
- The chances of you getting a cold from touching the tap are infinitesimal. You'll get it from someone coughing on you first, anyway.
- If you must touch everything with paper towels, there is a trash can located just outside the men's room.
- Not flushing a toilet after use is a sign of poor evolution.

But then, how can we expect passable standards of cleanliness from the users when the cleaning staff rinse out their mops in the hand sinks and don't bother cleaning debris out of the sink - every morning? How can we expect anyone to give a damn about the condition of the toilet floor in a toilet that has a waterless urinal?

I realize that last sentence will take a little elaboration.

All our men's rooms have waterless urinals. Every so often someone gets defensive and puts a little sign above them about all the gallons of water they are saving every year. Which is fine as far as it goes, but here's the thing: The little amount of water that remains in the sump of a non-waterless urinal has a function they don't tell you about. It prevents splashback. You aim the stream of urine at that little pool and the urine hits it and doesn't deflect as much as it is absorbed. The water is a cushion.

In a waterless urinal, no matter where you aim, some of it is going to splash. I don't care how good you are. You will be challenged to keep spots off your pants and shoes, especially your shoes; keeping the floor clear of them is a hopeless cause. And thus, no matter how careful everyone is (and let's face it, many aren't that careful) there is always a small spatter pattern on the floor in a zone ninety degrees of arc and extending roughly two feet out in radius from the urinal.

Waterless urinals are a false economy. Sure, they save water because they don't need to be flushed. Has anyone thought to balance this against the mopping bill? Against the dry cleaning? I don't know what's more disturbing - that the building's management has chosen to buy into this false economy, or that they expect us to believe it - just as they expect us to heed the sign in every toilet to turn off the lights if the room is unoccupied.

What we have in the men's room in my building, in short (and pay attention because here lieth Ye Key Points): We have an unpleasant situation which can only truly be fixed by a social/behavioral change, but which will not be fixed anytime soon because the People In Charge 1) lack the guts to encourage that change, and 2) choose to concentrate on false, distracting, ineffective changes instead. They want us to turn off the lights and buy into waterless urinals, when what they really should be doing is finding the bad behaviors and asking people, "Hey: Do you have the common sense of a turnip or what?"

I mean, even if this isn't your culture, you would think that after the second or third time what you do clogs the toilet, you stop doing that thing and change your ways. You'd think that, but it manifestly isn't true. So the last Key Point is - well, wait, I'm getting ahead of myself.

Let's talk about ecology for a moment. But we'll come back to toilets.




BBC America has been running episodes of "Top Gear" from 2004, which is okay with us, because we haven't seen them before. On one recent one they tear the Prius to pieces. I'm sure they got more than a few letters, just as I'm sure I will raise some mild irritation among my friends for agreeing with them. Such is the power of the mythology among my usual circle of friends, most of whom have a genuine (and worthy!) desire to be, shall we say, environmentally correct.

There's nothing wrong with that desire, so why should you be offended when I point out that the Prius is a fairly lousy way of trying to get closer to that goal? It doesn't perform very well; it is not very well made - but you don't care about those things, right? OK, so let's talk fuel. As "Top Gear" pointed out, a diesel car gets better mileage. The only economy of this car is to use less fossil fuel at the point of consumption - and when you compare the numbers this way to what you'd get if you just drove a diesel car - or if you tried some of the low-consumption techniques of the "hypermilers" - or you just drove your damned car less - you would get results as good or better, and you wouldn't be stuck with a car that is apparently kind of lousy to drive and has a hidden-cost surprise ready to floor you when its battery pack dies.

Of course it is easy to blithely say, "Oh, just drive less in general" when one lives in a town with reasonably sane public transportation and is within walking distance of his office to boot. I understand that, believe me; I grew up in Baton Rouge, a place where it is absolutely impossible to function without having an automobile at your disposal. Not difficult; impossible. Trust me on this.

But here is the thing. Even if you have a car that gets one hundred miles to the gallon; even if the scientists stop gazing at their navels and make something that's actually useful, like a car that runs on, say, salt water, or sand - even if technology intervenes once again to save our asses at the last minute, we will be pursuing the wrong solution once again.

You, the consumer, are being asked to shoulder the burden of the fact that the world is going to run out of oil in your children's lifetime and we have done precious little to prepare for it. You are being made to shoulder the blame and the guilt. This conveniently ignores the fact that the big transportation consumers of petroleum products are 1) commercial trucking 2) commercial shipping 2) commercial passenger aircraft. You're being asked to pinch pennies without being told that it takes a whole lot of us watching the mileage to offset one cross-country eighteen-wheeler. You are the scapegoat.

Why are you the scapegoat? Well, because it's much easier to try to get you to change your ways in small ways than in big ones, my dear. It's easier to try to get you to drive less than to tell you, "Well, jet travel is going to need to get a lot scarcer and a lot more expensive" or "Your food is going to cost more and some things are simply not going to be as available because you have never, NEVER, not since World War II and probably before, paid anything close to the actual hidden transportation costs of your California produce or your Upper Midwest bread, let alone your Chilean out-of-season berries that taste like sawdust anyway."

It's easier to get you to turn out the lights when you leave the room - the falsest of false economies and a lie the government has been peddling you wholesale since 1970 - than to get you to think about, much less take action on, huge inadequacies and inefficiencies in our power supply chain. It's easier to get you to conserve a watt here and there than to convince you to put wind power where you can see it, or to get you to trust nuclear power at all.

But, okay, let's assume for a minute that the Big Problems are so big that they won't be fixed in your lifetime no matter how hard you try. Let's continue to assume that the Little Problems are just a diversionary tactic and beneath contempt. That's not the end of the story because there are still the Medium Problems to consider, and they are being ignored.

Back to cars. The real way to economize on car travel is to drive less. Here we have some problems which are considerably more solvable than, say, reforming the entire power grid of the United States. Ask yourself: Why do we not carpool more? Why do we not bicycle more? Why do we not walk more? Why are our towns not safer for walking and bicycling in the first place? Where is further investment in timeshare/loaner vehicles for the times when you have to haul something? Where is the investment in mass transit, both in having it and making people actually want to use it? These are easily solved problems - they require no new technological innovations, no major reinvention of industries, they just require someone to spend money.

Aren't they?

Well, no, actually, they're not. Because you, the consumer, want to have your cake and eat it too, and you are set in your ways. If the past fifty years have taught us anything, it is that Americans prize their privately-owned automobiles well beyond any reasonableness, beyond any logic. Mass transit in Boston is generally cheap, generally safe and generally reliable; yet it is viewed as a mark of status to be able to not have to use it. People say so every year, in surveys. You don't want to bicycle to work, even if you live close enough to be able to do it, even if you live in a place where it can be done easily and safely, even if your employer offers you showers and an indoor bike rack in a guarded location and a place to hang and store a spare set of clothes. You just don't like doing it.

(Of course I use "you" in the above paragraph to mean the national average, not any specific value of "you." I am reporting what the public has collectively indicated its taste to be, over years of statistical observation, surveys, et cetera by people who have more time and talent than I do. I realize many of you reading this are exceptions; in fact, the percentage of exceptions among the readers of this is likely pretty high. We are not the norm, I don't think.)

The point is: To fix this issue calls for general infrastructure reform of a massive sort, or general social reform of a massive sort, and of the two, it is debatable which is the harder problem ... so the usual response, over the years, has been to hope both problems will go away by themselves and instead concentrate on diversionary tactics involving light bulbs and hybrid cars. And waterless urinals.

(Do you know that there is a worldwide freshwater crisis? Do you know that most freshwater problems could be solved by better use and distribution of available resources, or by actually getting people who are polluting water supplies to stop polluting them - and that, collectively, the governments of the world have shown zero interest in seriously tackling these simple solutions? It makes you wonder if we have any sense of the future or of self-preservation at all.)




Soooooo, a couple of days ago on Twitter I linked this fascinating article about toilet signs all over the world. The article is fascinating because of the variety of signs in it, and I do encourage you to go read it for that before I stomp all over the rest of it. Because, while the signs are great and the sociology behind them is fascinating, I find the thesis of the article (what there is of it) somewhere between dubious and insulting.

Now, get this straight: I speak as someone who has dealt, on more than one occasion, with the issues of gendered toilets, or specifically the "which toilet do I go into when I'm a male in a dress?" question. I feel deeply and personally for the complaints of the trans- or inter-gendered (or simply those who don't care for pigeonholes, which I sympathize with even more deeply) in this matter.

And of course I cannot deny the appeal of just waving one's hand and saying, "OK, well, unisex toilets for everybody everywhere, alakazam, end of problem." I mean, wouldn't that be nice?

But don't you think that if that had a chance in hell of working, more places would be doing it? I mean, on the face of it, it's not just a good social idea; it makes life easier for everyone (except maybe the cleaning crew, who still have to clean the same number of toilets no matter what they're labelled). It reduces "potty parity" issues (in the last twenty years the statistical consensus has been that in public venues like stadiums, women need about twice as many available toilets as men to even stand a chance of getting in and out of the loo in a reasonable/equivalent amount of time) - everyone stands in the same line for the same stalls.

Of course it would mean that men would lose their urinals, and that might be a shame. Women got better emotional makeup, a higher pain threshold, and the ability to think about more than one thing at a time. Men got external genitalia and the ability to pee standing up. Men got so short-changed it seems a shame to take their one superpower away from them. But still - we could probably arrange a compromise - and then we wouldn't have to worry about sexism in the signage because one sign would depict a toilet and the other would depict a urinal. And if the men wanted/needed to use a toilet, they could get in the line with everyone else. (And if they used the toilets we'd make them sit down while they pee, which would result in cleaner toilets and good behavior modification. Oh, wait, I think I just crossed the line into wish-fulfillment. OK, strike that last bit.)

Anyway, point is, it won't work. The reason it won't work is very simple: Men and women don't like sharing toilets. Women are often justifiably motivated by fear, but you know, you can be an evil woman stalker axe murderer sexual predator too. (Doesn't happen as often, but it's possible.) The fear and the rhetoric thereof is partly real, but it is partly a cover for the fact that men and women just don't like being in the same toilets together.

Very few building owners in the present climate would take a chance on lawsuits by introducing unisex toilets, and very few do. The few places I know of where there are unisex toilets in my area are all restaurants in the Republic of Cambridge, where one's hipster cred is bolstered by visible demonstration of how little one cares about such things - where, in other words, unisex toilets earn one a positive style point. There are very, very few places like Cambridge, Massachusetts in the United States.

In short (too late!) I dock the author of the linked article above points for not having a clear thesis in the first place, and I dock her more points for appearing to take the position that we can just wave our hands and say, "OK, massive social change! Bibbity-bobbity-boo!" I mean, I'd like it to be that easy. Wouldn't we all like it to be that easy? But it isn't that easy, and it may never be that easy, in fact it may be so hard that it is not possible ... and to espouse such a stance is at best naive and at worst greatly disingenuous.

I would like to send the author of that piece on an extended sociological trip to Japan, where many women's toilets have a tape loop of rushing water or other white noise so that no one will ever have to hear the sound of women conducting bodily functions. Then we can discuss unisex toilets for everyone.




It is entirely possible that, even with the care I have tried to bring to this piece, I may not have succeeded in linking the cars of the train together, and you are presently wondering why part two and part three are two parts of the same essay. I hope this isn't the case - but if it is, I'm sorry, I don't think I can do any better at explaining than I have already attempted.


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Soccerjude:

On the uni toilet business, I wonder if it's just sheer coincidence that Ally McBeal (which was set in the Back Bay) was the first TV show I can remember that featured a unisex toilet - at a law office, no less!

I can see that you're drawing a line between wastes of two different sorts, mostly around the perception of what we (as the individual) can do. In the case of a bathroom, it's to turn off the lights when the room's not in use and to use as little water and paper as possible. (And please DON'T get me started about those jet engine hand dryers that Target put in to replace paper towel dispensers, because as "sanitary" as they claim to be, they're NOT, and the noise scares the bejeezus out of Cal to the point where I have to dry her hands with toilet paper.) In the case of fossil fuel consumption, it's all about driving less (as a person) and kinda ignoring the fact that the individual driving is really just a terribly small slice when compared to the consumption by commercial carriers. (Am I get warmer?)

What gets my goat on the latter is that there aren't a ton of choices in some cases. Of course, there's the example of Baton Rouge that you cite. But, even in a relatively well-appointed area like the Boston Metro area, as far as public transport goes, I still have to drive to Providence for work because my train options are so slim. I live ON the line that runs directly between Boston and Providence, and yet the a.m. trains that go directly into Providence arrive at 7:25 or 10:30am. This is what we'd mildly term "schedule fail". Or, more accurately, "This is why I have to drive when I really wish I could take the train." Here's hoping that the new rail link to TF Green Airport gets the frequency into Providence station up, and then my wee carbon footprint can get wee'er. Because...even if it may be not be helping all that much, at least I can nap or read while I at least do *something*. Better than driving a tractor trailer to/from work, that's for damn sure.

-- 01:58, 9 September 2010 (BST)


Mel:

At my former place of employment, there were two separate restrooms near our office. They each just said "restroom" with no sex specified. The only problem anybody ever had with that was when somebody would occasionally forget to lock the door. (I once walked in on my (male) ex-boss peeing. Could have been worse - it wasn't like I really saw anything except him standing in front of the toilet with his back to the door. Embarrassing, but not fatally so.) It seems to me that that kind of quietly unisex toilet is on the rise - the one-person bathroom. I don't think it's going to catch on in highly public areas like stadiums and airports, though, if only because having enough of them to go around would take up too much space.

I'm with Jude (and Cal) on the jet-engine hand dryers - I hate those things. I'll just let my hands air-dry first.

-- 08:45, 9 September 2010 (BST)


Bunny42:

Those jet dryers pretty much defeat the purpose of sanitation for me, cuz I just wipe my hands on my shorts or something. Hate 'em, for the noise, the extra time they take, and especially for the slobs who crap up the floors with crumpled paper towels, making such "innovations" necessary in the first place.

-- 14:53, 9 September 2010 (BST)


Ysabel:

I say we nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

-- 16:58, 9 September 2010 (BST)


DanLyke:

Of course both of your arguments, even tied together as nicely as they are, ignore that if we take those conservation steps population will simply rise 'til we're pushing on the limits yet again.

And there's my call for "OK, massive social change! Bibbity-bobbity-boo!".


-- 17:08, 9 September 2010 (BST)


Jette:

When I worked for a big university in town, my office was right near the biggest computer lab on campus, and the bathroom closest to my office was often horribly unsanitary. I definitely now have the stereotype that all undergrad students need hygiene lessons. I used to sneak up to the fourth floor bathrooms that hardly anyone knew about, which also gave me some exercise with the stairs. One of the great things about my current job is that the bathrooms are clean.

I used to take the bus to work at my previous job, but one of the problems with that was that many bosses (who all drove to work) were unsympathetic about the flexibility in worktime needed to commute via bus in this town. More of us would have taken buses if we could get in late or leave a bit early. The university promoted non-car commuting, but not to the point of working with managers about flexibility of hours, or providing shower facilities, or anything like that.

It would also have helped if the city buses were less disgusting -- frankly, one reason I switched to driving to work in the last six months was that I was tired of having to check bus seats for urine or other nasty things on them. Which relates to a whole other societal problem (homelessness) that isn't an easy fix.

I don't know how to fix the problem of mass transportation of foods and making sure as many people as possible have access to nutritious foods, it's a mess.

When people find out about a problem, they want an easy take-away solution. Sometimes it's entirely wrong, sometimes it only helps a little, sometimes it's a good step to raising awareness of the big problems and getting things a little better, if not a lot. I don't mind the take-away attitude if we pick things that actually work, even a little.

-- 17:20, 9 September 2010 (BST)


Settsimaksimin:

i have always wished that someone would design a toilet stall that would not let you out until you had returned it to the default tidy condition.

i do remember my fist time in Europe using a unisex where all of the toilet cubicles were completely and privately enclosed. i have the unprovable suspicion that those would never be done here for fear of persons engaging in inappropriate behaviour. (amusing, since our campus has several washrooms which seem specifically designed to facilitate inappropriate behaviour.)

but to your point, old dogs, new tricks, etc. sometimes you just have to wait for them to die off. meanwhile, the next generation are learning different bad habits.

-- 17:38, 9 September 2010 (BST)


Peebles:

I might be one of those people who are kind of phobic about touching things in public bathrooms. I just sort of imagine that the entirety of any bathroom other than my own is covered in a thin, invisible layer of poo.

I kind of like those dryers. Especially the new ones by Dyson that are popping up in airports. They're called the AirBlade (which sounds like some kind of fucking bad-ass X-Men mutant power, amirite?), they work really fast, they get your hands plenty dry, and you don't have to touch ANYTHING.

-- 17:46, 9 September 2010 (BST)


Columbina:

Dan: There's an argument that the real answer to any number of these closely related problems is "more expensive resources," and it's a fine argument within limits (by which I mean I don't personally entirely agree with it), but the person making it tends to sound like an enormous misanthrope. How DARE anyone suggest that everything be scarcer and more expensive (even if that's the only way to get people to treat resources as if they have value)?

I mention that argument only because it has some pertinence to the issue of population control and who bears the costs, social and monetary, of having children, and how much having a child should cost. But population control is such a nasty stew that even I won't go near that topic. I will say that every time I see someone go near population control in any way, the math usually works out long-term in a direction I don't like, and one must be very, very careful to avoid the sour taste of eugenics in the back of one's throat.

-- 17:46, 9 September 2010 (BST)


Joy:

Oberlin is similar to Cambridge in some ways. There is a new bathroom design on campus that I just heard about. A single entry, with sinks and mirrors in the main hallway, then branches to the left and right with toilet and shower stalls. Each hallway can decide if they want all stalls to be unisex or divided. There is also right next door a single person unit with sink/toilet/shower, for those who don't want a somewhat communal experience (e.g., the modest, but also this was specifically to address concerns of the transgendered students on campus who don't want to enter a gendered bathroom space.)

Our women/men bathrooms (single person) on my floor at work have recently had those signs taken off. In college our bathrooms were unisex, but on parents/reunion weekend the older folks (gah, that means people my age now!) would stick labels on the bathroom doors, essentially saying fuck you to the female or male student whose stuff was still inside.

Anyway, I feel this is a story that fits your category of hitting on the one note you weren't up for discussion. But I thought the new bathrooms were interesting.

I don't get why the US isn't as big a proponent of diesel. Anyone know? City buses, yes, but not cars. I LOVED my diesel Volvo I had in grad school, even though I was out of luck if it was below 20 degrees for more than a day because I lived in an apt building and couldn't hook up an electric cord to the engine block warmer. Got well over 40 mpg, and this was a 1989 sedan.

I think I'm one of those people who wishes someone would just ban the use of fossil fuels or something. I think our radius of experience will get smaller and more local and I don't think this will be a bad thing, although there will be serious adjustments. I wonder if conference attendance in academia is going to slow down out of the economics and environmental costs of it all - I've seen discussions pointing in that direction.

-- 18:44, 9 September 2010 (BST)


Columbina:

I feel this is a story that fits your category of hitting on the one note you weren't up for discussion ....

Nah. The toilets were the most interesting part, so I'm not surprised if people focus on that. I think as a society we don't talk about our toilet sociology nearly enough.

-- 19:26, 9 September 2010 (BST)


ProfRobert:

A tangential story: When I was in Saudi Arabia to meet the clients, the husband took us on a tour of his beach house (and by "beach house," I mean for you to picture the spread at the Fontainbleu Hotel in Miami Beach, circa 1975). In the basement of the banquet hall (seated 5000 and had a sound and video system more usually found at NBA arenas), he very proudly showed us his 8" waste pipe, which he said he needed to install because some of the female guests had no experience with Western-style toilets, and would flush used sanitary napkins, which would clog the system. No more problem, he said, with the 8" waste pipe. In the stalls themselves, there were visuals signs depicting how to use the toilet. It was one of the most interesting experiences I've ever had (and that's not even to mention seeing his pet lions).

-- 21:13, 9 September 2010 (BST)


Columbina:

8" soil pipe! My god. You could flush a duvet down an 8" soil pipe.

(For those who don't know, soil pipes in houses are generally 3.5" to 4" in diameter.)

(For those who care, which will not be many: The trend has actually been to make them smaller over the years because it is felt that this uses the flush water more efficiently - smaller tube = greater pressure - but making them smaller than 3" creates risk for what is called "trap siphoning," which I'm not going to bother to explain; just trust me that it is bad.)

-- 22:02, 9 September 2010 (BST)


DanLyke:

Joy, on diesel automobiles, we bought a VW TDI and have been pleased as punch. We can snicker at the Prius drivers about the ecological load of batteries, all while experiencing driving that doesn't feel like sitting behind a plastic trash can crossed with a PowerPoint presentation.

Columbine, if I may indulge your misanthropy for a moment, have I grabbed you by the shirt collar and screamed "you must read 'A Farewell To Alms'!!!! Now!!!!" recently? We can ignore the past ten thousand years and focus on the recent blip of two centuries or so and applaud our leaders when they scoff at "neo-Malthusian ideas", but evidence strongly suggests that Malthus was right.

I'm just enough of a rat bastard to say "screw it, as long as it doesn't happen while I'm alive I no longer care".

(Of course if I were actually a successful leader of populations, I'm sure that some future generation would overdub the dramatization of my demise to suggest that I was distraught over the canceling of my XBox live account...)


-- 23:59, 9 September 2010 (BST)

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